“It’s Nice to Be Alive and Making Music”: Ryley Walker on ‘Course in Fable’

“It’s Nice to Be Alive and Making Music”: Ryley Walker on ‘Course in Fable’


Content material warning: This text discusses substance use and psychological well being.

Once I attain Ryley Walker by telephone earlier this week, the very first thing I discover is the sound of birds chirping. The 31-year-old Chicago native and preternaturally gifted guitarist is talking from his momentary house in Springfield, Massachusetts, the place he has loads of house and loads of nature to absorb. At this stage of his life, that chance for tranquility serves him nicely—he lately celebrated two years of sobriety, and he’s moved past the self-proclaimed “unhappy bastard” (but strikingly stunning) music that captivated the indie world with 2018’s Deafman Look. However earlier than the pandemic shut down a lot of the music business final yr, Walker had by no means thought-about relocating to such a serene setting as Western Massachusetts.

“I used to be in New York Metropolis for just a few years,” he says. “I moved there so I may go see a killer present each night time and play music with the good individuals on the planet and do all of the cool New York issues. You possibly can nonetheless get a extremely good lo mein there and stuff, however is it value $1,400 a month? So I moved up right here the place it’s manner cheaper. And I’m fairly cool laying low.”

Walker’s tone matches his phrases. He speaks warmly all through our hourlong dialog, alternating between light self-deprecating sarcasm and wide-eyed earnestness, all with a sure Midwestern appeal. He’s extraordinarily humorous—one thing anybody who follows him on Twitter would anticipate. (Come for the Sigur Rós fanfic, keep for the harsh truths about SXSW.) He’s additionally open, as keen to debate his love for Dave Matthews Band as he’s the plight of the pandemic-era musician. However largely, he’s keen to speak about his new album out Friday, one which finds the troubadour exploring a brand new style for him: prog fucking rock.

Course in Fable, Walker’s fifth correct solo LP, provides a markedly completely different listening expertise than Deafman Look. Whereas the sooner launch was folky, dronelike, and punctuated by strains like “It’s not very enjoyable / Being a enjoyable particular person,” Course in Fable is instantly vibrant and, nicely, enjoyable. Produced by John McEntire of the legendary Chicago post-rock outfit Tortoise, the album incorporates synthesizers and vibraphones seamlessly alongside Walker’s virtuosic taking part in. Over seven songs—5 of which stretch previous 5 minutes—he and his bandmates shuffle by means of tempos and actions, typically sounding just like the world’s greatest working jazz-fusion group. However past all of the heady music-nerd bait, Course in Fable finds a groove in methods his earlier albums hardly ever did. Opener “Hanging Down Your Large Premiere” is pure AM Gold, whereas single “Axis Bent” stomps alongside like a long-lost Steely Dan hit, with Walker’s hovering, easy voice beckoning the listener. The brand new album is sort of probably his greatest work to this point. On the very least, it represents a significant evolution for Walker, who ready extra for Course in Fable than he ever had for a solo album.

“The music on this report is stuff I had at all times aspired to do, however I used to be nonetheless hiding behind influences, or simply wasn’t tapping into any potential, and simply going together with the motions,” he says.

Between the fowl chirps earlier this week, Walker provides his ideas on the brand new report and a complete lot extra, together with the tao of the used CD and the way he’s labored to get sober. He additionally addresses essentially the most burning matter on rock Twitter: whether or not the man from Eve 6 has taken over his corner.


Let’s tackle the elephant within the room: Is Course In Fable really a prog report?

You understand that episode of Household Issues the place Steve Urkel goes within the machine and turns into cool?

Stefan Urquelle.

Yeah. It’s just like the Stefan Urquelle of prog data. I really feel like I went right into a machine and I got here out with a bald ponytail and now I’m a prog artist.

That’s stunning. How did you come to that?

I’ve simply made these cyclical folky data for years, which is enjoyable, and I’m grateful to have achieved them. However I simply form of keep in a single chord and sing verses and stuff. I wished to strive one thing completely different. I’ve at all times appreciated prog rock, however that’s form of been largely what I’ve listened to prior to now few years. Not like in a wise, brainy sense. I’m not some completed, superb musician. I don’t know how you can learn music. I’m actually an fool. I’ve simply been influenced by all that extra so than singing concerning the shire and stuff like that. I wished to maneuver on to discovering gnomes within the forest on a magical mountain.

You’ve introduced up Genesis a bunch on Twitter and in interviews. How did you get into them?

Effectively, I’m 31 years outdated, so I undoubtedly wasn’t there. I bear in mind seeing the silly music video for “I Can’t Dance.” And Phil Collins is a classic-rock radio staple. I suppose I bought into them perhaps in my early 20s. I used to be dollar-bin procuring and the man was like, “Selling England by the Pound is fairly far out and good.” The place I considered them as extra of a joke, or a dad band. I’ve discovered loads of creativity and innovation and nice humorousness of their music. It’s not like you need to have a thesaurus. It’s not prog with a capital P. It’s fairly modern and magical in its personal sense. They made a bajillion {dollars} doing that.

You tweeted that they’d the right streak of albums from 1970 to 1980, which I believe would just about make you the anti–Patrick Bateman, in a way. Do you might have love for stuff like Invisible Contact?

I bought love for the complete catalog, man. Invisible Contact is hilarious at factors, however I believe they had been earnest about the entire thing. They most likely had loads of sure males of their nook, however there’s loads of nice songs in there for positive.

What was the method like recording your new album?

Earlier than, I simply had half-baked concepts and went into the studio and hope they work, which has produced unimaginable artwork all through historical past. However I’m not a type of individuals who can do my greatest work in these circumstances. I believe I waste loads of money and time beforehand simply throwing shit at a wall and seeing if it sticks. This time round I demoed the songs, which I had by no means achieved. All of the phrases and the music had been written. After which I did a second spherical of demos with the band in Chicago. And so the entire band knew the songs. After which as soon as we went within the studio it was fairly straightforward, really.

You labored with John McEntire from Tortoise on this. You’ve cited them as a giant affect prior to now. Was it onerous to not go all Chris Farley Present on him?

I had met John in Chicago through the years. I don’t assume we’re actually tight mates or something, however I had identified John and at all times mentioned hello. However I used to be at all times a loopy fanboy for positive. He’s a pleasant, humble, quiet man. So he was at all times like, “What? OK. Yeah.” However attending to work with him was a dream come true.

What did he carry to the recordings which may’ve not been there in your earlier work?

His recording fashion is so up entrance and hi-fi, and the references that I gave him had been ECM jazz fusion data from the ’70s, the place it’s all actually certain and combined, actually clear. The manufacturing fashion is so clear. I like it. And that’s what I undoubtedly wished. I’ve nice recordings of songs with tons of various engineers. Perhaps it’s simply the best way the songs had been—these drone-y people issues. However he actually emphasised new route within the music with all these chord adjustments and completely different components, and carved out some actually great particulars within the quiet components.

I hear that clear manufacturing you’re speaking about on “Axis Bent,” which for my cash is certainly one of your greatest songs. Does it symbolize a brand new route for you?

That is going to sound loopy to individuals taking part in music, however I had by no means modified chords earlier than. I at all times stayed in key. It’s what I do to make drone-y people music. So for there to be key adjustments and tempo adjustments in several components is actually the key to any step ahead I had. And it clicked actually fast within the studio and every little thing. I believe Ryan [Jewell] and Andrew [Scott Young], on drums and bass respectively, actually drived that one house. And me and Invoice [MacKay] simply kind of dance on prime of every little thing. I like that the guitar isn’t the factor pushing the songs—it’s this cohesive factor and hodgepodge of all people working collectively.

Course in Fable is your first album, in a conventional sense, that you simply’ve recorded since going sober in 2019. How did that change issues for you?

The obvious factor is I wasn’t fucked up. I used to be current. However in a deeper sense, my psyche and bodily well being of my mind may function and make choices and be extra current. There’s much more gratitude within the music. I’ve been an egomaniac in my previous, and simply anticipate music to work as a result of, “Hey, it’s me, and I can write a drone-y people track and let’s do it.” However these concepts saved turning into an increasing number of stale and dangerous. So it’s good to be alive and making music. And the music is secondary to bodily well being at this level, so I believe that simply makes it higher.

Congrats on two years, man. I consider I discussed it to you, however I’m at 5 myself. I don’t know what your expertise has been like, however in mine, it will get simpler because it turns into extra second nature.

Completely. It was onerous at first, however you develop into farther and farther away from choosing up, and issues begin to open up. I nonetheless am no guru and haven’t solved every little thing in my life, however I’m undoubtedly extra current and dwelling in some kind of answer. It’s very nice.

You tweeted lately that you simply really helpful for anyone struggling that they need to discover sober individuals and ask them what labored for them. What labored for you?

I went to a psych ward, and loads of remedy, and I’m on medicine. I am going to those particular conferences each single day, and I preserve a sober community of individuals. I ran away from this factor for such a very long time, in order that willingness to get assist was simply the largest factor. Ultimately, I got here round to realizing it’s completely attainable to navigate life with out the substance of any type.

Psychological well being and habit, and the way they relate to musicians, is again within the information a bit bit proper now. The Demi Lovato documentary simply got here out, and clearly she’s a megastar, however it impacts musicians on each stage. I’m interested in what sources you assume musicians want that you simply want you had earlier in life.

I really feel like I selected every little thing that I did. Clearly, taking part in reveals and touring, you get free beer and shit. However no person compelled me to guzzle 30,000 beers an evening or put dope in my physique. That was a alternative I made for myself. And that’s a illness that I used to be born with and by no means handled, and I needed to hunt down assist alone. I suppose what saved me was that I knew sober individuals. Do I want to God I had gotten sober 10 years in the past? Yeah. Jesus Christ, that will’ve saved loads of bother. However I believe making it extra identified that there are sober networks of individuals on the market and assistance is on the market.

There’s loads of individuals in my life years in the past that had been like, “I’m sober, and I do issues.” However I wasn’t keen at the moment. So I suppose simply the overall information that it’s attainable to navigate the music enterprise or play reveals or no matter with out these items.

How powerful has the pandemic been as an unbiased musician?

I’m managing. I had stuff booked final yr. I used to be going to make an honest chunk of change, and get to journey and play cool reveals and all that. And when that went away, it’s like, “What’s my goal?” So yeah, it sucked at first. There have been loads of questions on: What am I doing? What is that this? Who am I? However I’m glad I had the instruments to only preserve managing. I’m lucky that I’ve discovered I don’t really want to tour to remain joyful. I’m fairly stoked to be at house. I really feel clearly horrible for the business and the world at giant, however in my very own life, staying house has develop into a blessing in disguise. I like my house life. I like downtime. I just like the menial work of emails and urgent and producing data.

So I’m OK personally. But it surely was treacherous at first, and typically you need to cope with it one hour at a time. I want to God for everyone else that reveals would come again safely. It sucks for a lot of bands I do know who’ve put out superior data within the final yr to have to take a seat on their asses and watch the report come out and fade off into the ether. That’s powerful, and that’s traumatizing in a manner I’m positive for lots of people. However I’ve been OK. I needed to adapt. That’s why I began my very own report label, Husky Pants Data. I used to be on Useless Oceans eternally. We’re all nonetheless nice mates, and I don’t have any good label drama or something. No killer pull quotes shitting on the label or something.

Across the time of Deafman Look, you spoke lots about not being desirous about revisiting your earlier work, resembling Primrose Inexperienced. How do you’re feeling about Deafman Look three years later?

I believe that report’s fairly cool. It sounds a bit bizarre, and I want perhaps we combined it a bit completely different or one thing. The songs are form of unhappy bastard shit. That’s what I used to be feeling on the time, and I suppose perhaps I used to be true to that feeling and put it on the market. But it surely’s not this unhappy bastard report that has any redemption arc to it. It simply form of was a tragic fucking suicide observe or one thing. And I really feel like a a lot completely different particular person now, and I really feel like I could make higher songs with higher lyrics and handle these darkish emotions higher.

You tweet often about CDs, whether or not it’s Discmans or dollar-bin finds. Do you actually nonetheless purchase CDs often?

Yeah, I do. I by no means stopped shopping for CDs, even within the late 2000s most likely, which was the bottom low level of gross sales for CDs. I don’t know. I’ve at all times appreciated CDs. I grew up on them. And the explanation I like them a lot now’s as a result of they’re so goddamn low-cost. I like to gather music lots, and should you go to any report retailer within the USA and for a greenback, you will get the good music ever. So I at all times prefer to share that pleasure. It’s like, “Verify it. I bought all this sick music for 5 bucks.” I prefer to rejoice the greenback bin lots, particularly ’80s and ’90s indie rock stuff. It’s cool that individuals dump their collections and I get to reap the advantages of it.

I noticed you talked about Frank Black final week, but additionally R.E.M.’s Monster. What else are you discovering the greenback bins nowadays?

In the event you go to any greenback bin, there’s at all times R.E.M. Monster, there’s additionally Frank Black Teenager of the Yr, there’s at all times the Lemonheads Come on Really feel the Lemonheads. Greenback-bin CDs are what bought me into Teenage Fanclub after I was a youngster. I bear in mind getting Sonic Youth Murray Avenue for a greenback just a few years after it got here out and being like, “Wow that is superb.” So I’ve private connections to greenback bins which are superb. Perhaps not the deepest cuts or something, however simply very profound experiences that report shops and greenback bins carry. I believe dollar-bin CDs are pound for pound higher than dollar-bin LPs.

Particularly nowadays, proper? You used to have the ability to discover Rumors within the greenback bin, you possibly can discover all these data. And now data like that go for like 15, 20 bucks a pop.

Normally, it’s simply Lodge California by the Eagles, or The Very Better of Bread or one thing. I’m positive there are outliers in there, and I’m positive there’s instances the place you will discover a sick one. However dollar-bin LPs are completely lifeless. Whereas dollar-bin CDs are thriving. And I encourage anyone and all people to affix the gang of dollar-bin CDs.

That would work towards you although, as a result of if we do have a used CD renaissance, which may push these albums out of the greenback bin.

You’re very proper. However proper now, we’re on the crux of it. We’re forward of the remainder of society. Once we all dwell on Mars and have spacesuits and children are getting greenback CDs, we are able to say, “Oh, I discovered that fucking Modest Mouse CD for one greenback in my childhood.”

How did The Lillywhite Periods—the place you lined a group of misplaced Dave Matthews Band songs—come about?

Effectively, I like Dave Matthews. I at all times did. Even within the top of indie rock in highschool and my early 20s or no matter. I at all times flew the flag for Dave. And Dave Matthews music is usually not appreciated by my friends, or individuals I hang around with. However I used to be by no means quiet about it. I used to be at all times like, “Man, Dave fucking will get darkish, and it’s actual.” On the finish of the day, it’s enjoyable.

So, me and Eric Deines, who works at Jagjaguwar, he’s additionally a true-blue Dave head. He introduced the concept to me. He’s like, “What if I bought you some cash to re-record The Lillywhite Periods?” And I used to be like, “Yeah, OK. Positive.” We took the songs, my pal Andrew [Scott Young] and I, who performs on the report, and the brand new one, as a result of he likes Dave too. We’ve got all these nice reminiscences of seeing Dave once we had been youngsters. So we simply put him by means of our lens, which is bizarre Chicago improv meets indie rock or no matter.

What got here out was our rendition of The Lillywhite Periods, which I believe is sick. Clearly there’s context while you take heed to it. It’s a must to know what it’s about in an effort to actually dig it. Like European individuals, as a result of Dave isn’t huge over there, who’ve heard it are like, “Yeah, it’s cool, however what’s the purpose of it?” Effectively, you guys weren’t blessed with having the caravan come to your city as soon as each summer time.

What do you assume the notion of DMB is now?

It looks as if the music enterprise has ebbs and flows proper now with pop and renaissances with artists. I take into consideration a band like Steely Dan, who’s essentially the most cherished and revered band ever. For good purpose. They’re nice. However that shit was like lounge music and hated by punks and indie rockers for generations. However perhaps a bit youthful are like, “I don’t know. This shit’s sick.” So perhaps that was the advertising of the Dave Matthews factor. It’s like, “Hey, he’s really form of sick.”

And Dave’s heard it, proper?

Yea, I’ve a pal who works at his administration firm, and she or he handed it off to Dave. I bought a very nice electronic mail again. I wasn’t anticipating him to listen to it or ever hear of me. I didn’t make the report searching for that out. I think about he’s bought loads of issues to do. However he actually appreciated it. He was like, “That is sick, dude.” He was actually confused by it, and I believe clearly was interested in my motives. However he’s a extremely candy man, and I bought to fulfill him. I went to certainly one of his live shows as a result of we had been each in Montreal on the identical time. He’s so cool. And he’s a down-ass dude. He likes nice music. He can speak deep data all night time. And we had a blast. And we textual content every so often. We don’t hang around or something, however we be in contact. He’s a cool-ass motherfucker, and I believe for the rest of my days I’ll go fucking shake my ass to fucking “Tripping Billies.”

You’re one of many funniest follows in music Twitter. Do you discover it amusing, foolish, form of silly, no matter else that individuals might comply with you to your tweets as a lot as they do to your music?

That occurs lots really. Persons are like, “Oh, I assumed you simply had a Twitter. I didn’t know you made music.” At instances, I have a look at it an excessive amount of. However I don’t take myself critically. And yeah it’s a little bit of a poison, and ego boosting while you say the suitable factor and get all these likes. There’s little doubt it’s a illness on society. However total, it’s simply I take advantage of it to be silly, and I’ve at all times been form of annoying and loud, and now I suppose I’ve a platform for it the place individuals really wish to see it. And that may be fairly humorous.

The Eve 6 man grew to become a factor on Twitter late final yr for tweets about music and touring that felt like they had been in the identical vein as yours. I’ve to ask: Who’s funnier, you or the Eve 6 man?

Effectively the Eve 6 man is fairly humorous. And I suppose he has extra avenue cred on being a wash-up, as a result of that was form of my bit. Like, “Oh yeah, I’m the center font of the competition submit.” However Eve 6 invented the center font on a poster. I prefer to assume I’m the Nirvana of music Twitter and he’s the Eve 6 of music Twitter.

I learn as soon as that while you had been youthful, you wished to be a TV author. In the event you play your life out once more, do you find yourself as a musician? Do you find yourself a TV author? A comic?

I really went to varsity for TV writing. I went to this faculty that accepts all people. It was a dumb artwork faculty. I believe I didn’t have the drive on the time. On the time it was a lot simpler to go to a present and play noise guitar moderately than get jokes in on a dwell comedy present or a sketch present or one thing. So I went with what was out there and extra thrilling on the time, and that was music. Had I achieved it throughout, I don’t know. I used to be utterly directionless at 18, as all people is. However I don’t assume I’d change a factor.

Given the state of each streaming and music these days, I believe it might be simpler to get jokes in on a TV present than really play a noise present.

Yeah. So if anyone desires to rent me to punch up a Household Feud episode or one thing, I’m right here.

This interview has been edited and condensed for readability.





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